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By LISA LEFF , Associated Press
SAN FRANCISCO - The first federal trial to determine if the U.S. Constitution prohibits states from outlawing same-sex marriage gets under way Monday, and the two gay couples on whose behalf the case was brought will be among the first witnesses.
The proceedings, which are expected to last two to three weeks, involve a challenge to Proposition 8, the gay marriage ban approved by California voters in November 2008. Regardless of the outcome, the case is likely to be appealed to the U.S. Supreme Court, where it ultimately could become a landmark that determines if gay Americans have the right to marry.
The judge who will render a decision, Chief U.S. District Judge Vaughn R. Walker, has asked lawyers arguing for and against the ban to present the facts underlying much of the political rhetoric surrounding same-sex marriage. Among the questions Walker plans to entertain are whether sexual orientation can be changed, how legalizing gay marriage affects traditional marriages and the effect on children of being raised by two mothers or two fathers.
"The case is intriguing, exciting and potentially very significant because it addresses multiple important questions that, surprisingly to many, remain open in federal law," said Jennifer Pizer, marriage director for the gay law advocacy group Lambda Legal. "Can the state reserve the esteemed language and status of marriage just for heterosexual couples, and relegate same-sex couples to a lesser status? Are there any adequate public interests to justify reimposing such a caste system for gay people, especially by a majority vote to take a cherished right from a historically mistreated minority?"
The sponsors of Proposition 8, which passed with 52 percent of the vote, won permission to defend the law in court after Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger and Attorney General Jerry Brown refused to. The attorney general and the governor are defendants in the case because of their positions in state government.
Lawyers for the measure's backers plan to argue that because same-sex marriage still is a social experiment, it is wise for states like California to take a wait-and-see approach. Their witnesses will testify that governments historically have sanctioned traditional marriage as a way to promote responsible child-rearing and that this remains a valid justification for limiting marriage to a man and a woman.
While other courts have wrestled with the constitutional issues raised by prohibiting same-sex marriages — the Supreme Court last took a look at the issue 38 years ago — Walker's court is the first to employ live witnesses in the task. Among those set to testify are the leaders of the Proposition 8 campaign, academic experts from the fields of political science, history, psychology and economics, and the two plaintiff couples — Kristin Perry and Sandra Stier, who live in Berkeley, and Paul Katami and Jeffrey Zarrillo, who live in Los Angeles.
Chad Griffin, a political consultant who helped spearhead the lawsuit, said the four were recruited to represent California couples who say they would get married were it not for Proposition 8 because they lead lives indistinguishable from those of other couples, gay or straight, who have jobs, children and a desire for the social stamp of approval that matrimony affords, Griffin said.
"Our story, I think, is pretty ordinary," said Perry, 45, the title plaintiff in the case registered on legal dockets as Perry v. Schwarzenegger. "We fell in love, we want to get married and we can't. It's pretty simple." The women have been together for almost 10 years and since 2004 have been registered domestic partners, a legal relationship that in California carries most of the benefits and obligations of a full-fledged marriage.
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I think gay marriage should be legal. It's not like there's any harm in same sex marriage. What's the big deal? I don't see why people are getting so cranked up against gay marriage. Does it really matter to any one else if a couple wants to get married? They need space, not criticism.
ReplyDeleteI agree. Anybody should have the right to marry, wheater it is someone of the opposite sex, the same sex, different race etc. These should be no factors. I think it is a violation of thier rights if you refuse to marry a gay couple.
ReplyDeleteIt should be absolutely no question if gay marriage should be legalized or not!
I agree with both of these. If there are two people that want to get married there shouldn't be anything or anyone that should stop them. Just because they want to get married to the same sex they shouldn't be getting criticized from other people that think it's wrong. I doubt that when anybody else gets married when it's to the same sex that they would want anybody telling them that they cant. It would make them really mad and cause huge problems, so why does it matter if people of the same sex want to get married? If they want to get married, they should be able to.
ReplyDeleteIn the Bible it says how being gay is wrong, but I think that being gay is just fine. If they want to be gay let them its their life not anyone elses.It not right to deny some one of the most wounderful thing like marrige because they are gay or of color, for any reason at all. People were made in the image of God, that includes gays. So whats the problem if they get married? They are just like the rest of us. If they love each other let them get married.Im all for same sex marrige.
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ReplyDeleteI just don't understand people who fight about the legality of gay marrige. It's called separation of church and state so any arguement about God says it's wrong should be irrelivant immediately. Really though, how can homosexuality negativelly affect an American family and their values? How does it threat a man and a woman's marrige? From a legal point, it is impossible to argue against gay marrige. In fact, according to the 14th Amendment, its unconstitutional!
I have to agree why should they not allow gay marrage. These people just want to have a family like the rest of us. Most gay people that I do know are basicly the same as anyother person I know. If they want to get married let them its not like its really gunna hurt anyone. This is just another thing for people to get all rilaled up about for no good reason.
ReplyDeleteI think that same sex marriage should be legal. If people of the same sex want to get married then nobody has the right to stop them. Its taking away their freedom and like Zane said its unconstitutional. People that are raised by two dads or two moms are fine they aren't getting hurt by it and neither is anyone else.
ReplyDeleteI'm not against gay marriage because it shouldn't matter what gender people like and everybody else should not be getting this worked up about it. I understand why the Bible says it wrong but times have changed. If somebody wants to like the same sex, people shouldn't be judging them for it, they are still the same person, just with differnt tastes. If we wanted to get married the opposite sex and somebody said that they wouldn't do it because they were against it, it would cause really big problems and make us mad. So why do we do this towards gay people? We should put ourselves in their shoes and see if we would enjoy being treated that way. Does it really affect other people when gays get married? Does it affect your daily life that much? NO, I DON'T THINK SO!!
ReplyDeleteThats Tori Lien up there, just so you know.
ReplyDeleteIn my oppinion everyone who wants it should be able to get married. I think no one should make such a big deal about gay marriage. I really think it should be legal. They dont't hurt anyone by getting married. Why should't they be able to make their love official? Everybody should have the freedom to get married.
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In my opinion, gay marriage should be allowed. Despite the fact that I'm a Christian, I think anybody should be able to get married. God wants us to love everybody. It hurts me to see and hear people criticize homosexuals and say God doesn't love them. God doesn't hate sinners, He hates sin, and nobody can tell me they go a day without sinning! Come on now. We're human. If He loves them, we should too. It's the way they were born- and if you say it's a CHOICE, think about this: If I told a straight person to fall in love with someone of the same sex, it would be impossible for them, right? That's how gay people feel every day - pressured by society to try to be someone they're not. Also, why would somebody CHOOSE to be criticized? I couldn't be with another girl, and gay people can't be with the opposite sex! Besides, since when did it become everyone else's business who one wants to be with? They're not hurting anybody. I say America is a free country. Let gay people have the same rights as straight people.
ReplyDeleteI also agree with making gay marriage legal. I always think of it as you cant help who you love. I dont think it is right at all to tell some one who they can and cant marry or love. If a person likes the same gender that is there choice. You cant help your feelings! That is not my choice to like the same gender but if its some one elses choice they shouldnt get judged for it or teased or anything in that matter. It is totally up to them what gender they like and we dont need to judge or do anything about it. It is totally wrong if you ask me to stop 2 people who are in love to get married! People should not have to be worried about going out with there girl friend or boy friend no matter if they are the same gender. It shouldnt in any way be up to the public or any one else to make that choice! - Megan Knott
ReplyDeleteGay marriage should totally be allowed. Not just because of the prejudice against them, but I am thinking about how many children could be adopted too. I dont know here in U.S, but in my country adoption is just allowed if you are married and a lot of gays couples wanted to adopt kids and they couldn't, that is the major reason that Brazil allowed the gay marriage. - Luiza Evangelista
ReplyDeleteI think that gay marriage should be legal, you cant chose who you love. If blacks marry whites then it should be okay for anyone to marry anyone no matter what the situation is. - Megan Vogel
ReplyDeletei honestly dont see the big deal on who people chose to marry, it should be their choice not ours. if a man wants to marry a man or a girl wants to marry a girl, let them. even thought it says in the bible it is wrong, its seperation on church and state. just like we arent allowed to talk about the bible in school, why should it matter when it comes to marrage? i think that this decision is totally up to the person who they want to mary.
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